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Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:27 pm
by Gerrit Loubser
Thanks for sharing the report, Gerhard. Those are beautiful pictures.
4ePajero wrote:...
[*]Traction is required where there are serious axle-twisters, especially at the short uphill hairbends. The Toureg's TC made it feel easy, but I know it would have been difficult with the Pajero's open diffs.
I drove up Sani a year or two ago in August and I can't remember any real axle twisters on the way up at the time. Our Gen 3 Paj ran up in high range without using the rear diff lock at all. Of course the road surface would change over time and might well be much worse now than it was then.

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:32 pm
by 4ePajero
Gerrit Loubser wrote:Thanks for sharing the report, Gerhard. Those are beautiful pictures.
4ePajero wrote:...
[*]Traction is required where there are serious axle-twisters, especially at the short uphill hairbends. The Toureg's TC made it feel easy, but I know it would have been difficult with the Pajero's open diffs.
I drove up Sani a year or two ago in August and I can't remember any real axle twisters on the way up at the time. Our Gen 3 Paj ran up in high range without using the rear diff lock at all. Of course the road surface would change over time and might well be much worse now than it was then.
These were at the hairpin bends, where water coming from the top eroded a donga across the road, just before you have to make the sharp turn. On these bends, the road was so washed out that there was usually only one line to take, and axle twisting was inevitable.
I did not take to many photos (they don't really show the road the way it is), but look at this one. There is a small ditch forming right in the corner. When that erodes to say 400mm deep, combined with the sharp corner, things get exciting.
Notice the black tyre marks on the rock on left, evidence of tyre spinning, because of loss of traction.
On this one, you could drive 'around' it on the left, but on some that option was less viable than the one closer to the corner.
Start of a donga.
Start of a donga.
Look at the image (which I got off the web). Very few corners had the nice 'flat' surface you see on the right here. It was more like the left of the photo
Typical corner of hairpin.
Typical corner of hairpin.
At one of them, I had the Touareg's front left ±400mm in the air. When inching forward, that wheel started dropping and the rear right was in the air as well. I could feel the vehicle rocking on front right and left rear.

The V10 had enough power not to need low range, but the speed at which the road had to be negotiated made low range the better choice.

The section, the first river crossing after the RSA border post, shown on this Google Earth image, consisted of rock (up to 300-400mm dia) only. There was NO gravel on the road surface, and negotiating that in High Range would have been tricky. Without diff-lock? Then you are either a much better driver than I am or the road is now in worse condition. (.... or the Pajero is indeed so much better than the Touareg! :D )
River Crossing
River Crossing
I've driven the Baviaanskloof a few times, once in 2WD (high), and the Sani Pass made the Baviaans look like a urban highway :o

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:12 pm
by MR2-Blue
Beautiful Fotos - you must have enjoyed the trip. How far away is the dam from Clarens ?

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:42 pm
by KaiV
4ePajero wrote:average speed 119 km/h
Hmmmm, you must have gone like a bat out of hell to maintain 119Km/hr following plenty of below 60 (I would imagine) km/hr in Lesotho :mrgreen:
4ePajero wrote:I think the Touareg passed its inaugural test run! ;)
Just imagine how nicely the Paj would've gone..... Your average speed would have been higher too :shock:

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:02 pm
by 4ePajero
KaiV wrote:
4ePajero wrote:average speed 119 km/h
Hmmmm, you must have gone like a bat out of hell to maintain 119Km/hr following plenty of below 60 (I would imagine) km/hr in Lesotho :mrgreen:
4ePajero wrote:I think the Touareg passed its inaugural test run! ;)
Just imagine how nicely the Paj would've gone..... Your average speed would have been higher too :shock:
It was all through the Free State and Eastern Cape.
The Free State roads have more potholes than the Lesotho roads!
The Touareg's advantage is that it can comfortably cruise at 150 without feeling stressed. The Pajero is happiest at 110!

MrBlue, the dam is 82 km (straight line) from the tunnel inlet, and 175km by road.

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:13 pm
by Gerrit Loubser
4ePajero wrote:There is a small ditch forming right in the corner. When that erodes to say 400mm deep, combined with the sharp corner, things get exciting.
Notice the black tyre marks on the rock on left, evidence of tyre spinning, because of loss of traction.
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At one of them, I had the Touareg's front left ±400mm in the air. When inching forward, that wheel started dropping and the rear right was in the air as well. I could feel the vehicle rocking on front right and left rear.

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Without diff-lock? Then you are either a much better driver than I am or the road is now in worse condition. (.... or the Pajero is indeed so much better than the Touareg! :D )
No, it just seems a lot rougher than it was when I was last there. Perhaps it is time for another visit ;)

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:30 pm
by 4ePajero
Gerrit Loubser wrote: No, it just seems a lot rougher than it was when I was last there. Perhaps it is time for another visit ;)
I looked at some sections and thought that I don't believe an AC Cobra can go up there, regardless of clearance and offroad tyres. Not in the condition I found it.
(They claim he did it in under an hour, which excludes rack packing and ladders).
Conditions must have been different, I suppose.

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:06 am
by KaiV
4ePajero wrote:...I drove up Sani a year or two ago in August and I can't remember any real axle twisters on the way up at the time. Our Gen 3 Paj ran up in high range without using the rear diff lock at all. Of course the road surface would change over time and might well be much worse now than it was then.
I drove up Sani in my Colt a few years back too. All I was wondering is a) how easy it was and b) NO WAY a Sierra pulled a caravan up there :lol:

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:08 am
by Brink_015
I have done Sani 3 x (2 x BMW R1200GS and once LC80) in the past 2 years and the pass is getting exponentially worse.
Every time some other sections are getting washed away more.

I am surprised to hear about the AC Cobra going up there. Saw the Rolls Royce on Carte Blanche about 2-3 years ago - The road was in its best condition then imo.

I still need to take the family up there with the Pajero - ssssoooooon :mrgreen:

Brink

Re: Sani Pass - Katse Dam - Golden Gate

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:16 pm
by AndreBenson
Hi 4E. .

This looks just the thing for us to do in July, you don't by chance have estimated cost of the trip.

Thanx