Andre Plant
Cold start issues again
A while back I posted a thread about my 2.8 and cold starting issues and was given a lot of info regarding a fuel pump leak. I had my mechanic replace all the seals on the pump. I gave him downloads of all the info from the UK site and our local info.

The problem still persists and I have phoned a lot of Cape Town based "specialists" and they all want the vehicle for at least 3 days to run all sorts of tests - I think they are seeing dollar signs in their eyes and cannot wait to get their grubby paws on another poor soul and make lots of money. I have explained the problem and they all have differing theories - no consensus at all.

The problem is as follows:

I start the vehicle when it is cold i.e. it has been standing for quite some time.
The engine catches almost immediately and idles.
If I let it idle it will begin to cough and run rough and then die. Then it is difficult to start. Vast clouds of white smoke appear.
I can pull away and within about 20 seconds the engine starts misfiring and dies.
If, however, I rev the engine from a cold start at 2500-3000 rpm and let it run at that speed for about a minute, then it returns to normal idle and then all is ok. I can then drive off as normal.
Hot starting is perfect.
My battery is now far from perfect due to the starting problems.
The oil is clear, no white creamy stuff which shows water in the oil. No cylinder head cracking problems.
When at normal operating temperature the engine pulls like a train and the economy is great. No oil gets used and I service every 5000km. There is no smoke at normal temperatures.
One thing we do is we often let the tank go right down to the reserve before we put more fuel in. I cannot say wether this problem is worse with an empty tank or a full tank as it does it all the time, with varying degrees - some days are worse than others, for some strange reason. I thought only women were like that...................... :mrgreen:
The vehicle has done 300,000km and is on the original injectors etc.

Some say it could be the fuel pump in the tank. One clown insists its a cracked cylinder head and wants to replace it. Another one sez its fuel leaking into the combustion chambers and I should get all the injectors replaced. My mechanic thought it may have been the coolant temperature sensor and that was replaced with a new one but that was not the fault.

I can live with the problem for a while as we live on a hill and I can bump start the car in the mornings to save the battery. We are driving up to Johannesburg in December. The reason I cannot leave it with someone in Cape Town is that they want it for a few days and it is our only vehicle. In Johannesburg I will be able to use my parents cars so I would like to have the problem fixed there. We are in the Kempton Park/Isando area.

Do any of you living in Jozi know of a good Pajero mechanic ( private or trade ) in this area - the Eat Rand, who is good and honest and will not rip me off? And will be able to fix the problem.......

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tonton
Re: Cold start issues again
Look for MITSPRO VEHICLE SERVICE CENTRE here: (Recommended Workshops) https://www.pajeroclub.co.za/forum/view ... 1481#p8481

Please tell them POCSA referred you.

Anton
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I would put money on the problem being an old fuel hose suckingh air in.

Just replace all the fuel hoses in the engine bay that you can lay your hands on. They arte easy to spot around the pump and filter with the intercooler assembly off.
Andre Plant
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Thanks for the repiles.

Marius, why would this happen when the engine is cold? Surely fuel hoses will leak hot or cold.

Unless.....Is it possible that as the engine warms up metal expands and perhaps a leak is closed or something as there is absolutely no problem at normal operating temperature. I wonder if all the fuel pipes are tight or perhaps there is a minute split somewhere where it connects to the engine parts that stops leaking at the engine gets warm.... I do not know.

Confused from Cape Town :?

Any ideas?

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when the fuel gets cold from standing it contracts and then there is lots of time for a small leak to allow air into the system.

If the leak is big enough then air will be introduced none the less as the return diesel line will pull as a small force and if there is a small leak the air will be introduced that way.

A fuel pipe has a very small amount of fuel in it but enough to be filled with air overnight and that small amount of fuel can keep the engine running for a minute or two.

So...... when you start it the immediate diesel in the lines are fine and it starts up fine but then when the air gets into the pump and injector lines you get hassles until that air is worked out through the pump (which now lacks lubrication due to the absence of diesel) and injectors.
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I think it is the pump seal problem (as per 4eJunior's)
Gerhard Fourie
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Andre Plant
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I hear what you are saying, Marius, and I can see your point but why would it run at 2500-3000rpm from a cold start and not cough or cut out at this speed?
If I start and let it idle after about 30-40 secs it dies - as per your theory using the small amount of fuel left in the lines.
If I start it and try to drive it normally or let it rev at 1500rpm it dies after a minute or so - again as per your theory.
So why would it run if I keep the revs up? Is there some sort of greater suction or vacuum at speed or does the fuel pump work harder to force the fuel faster through the lines so clearing the air blocking the line almost immediately?
And why would enormous clouds of white smoke appear?
I really hope it is the fuel lines as that is a simple DIY job and will not be expensive. Must I use a specific Mitsubishi fuel line ( I shudder to think of what that might cost :shock: ) or can I buy generic fuel piping from Midas and cut it to fit?

Thanks for the suggestion about the fuel pump and seals, Gerhard, but they were all repaced. Two were worn so we had hopes that we had found the problem, but as it turns out it was not that.

thanks for the help guys.

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No need to get hoses from the dealers, although I have sometimes found their prices to be very reasonable.

Mostly the leaks are at the clamps so if you have play in the line just snip the ends and reattach.

The lines have to be fuel lines if you repplace them. You can use fuel lines for air and coolant but NOT vice versa.
marsharo
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Hi Andre, we are in the same 'boat' concerning the cold start issue. I followed the previous posts & advice on how to remedy the problem with great interest. After having the vehicle tested at SAC I was advised that the transitional pump was the culprit. I had the diesel pump totally over-hauled (this was necessary as the vehicle has well over 200K on the clock), replaced injectors & all fuel lines (not by SAC) but to no avail as far as the cold start issue goes. The diesel specialist in JHB who did the work for me explained to me that he believes the problem is a lack of compression when the motor is really cold.
He gave me a lengthy explaination about why it starts but then dies (you'll probably find it coughs & dies as soon the glow plugs switch off completely - Yes / No ? ).
His recommendation is to have a cold & hot compression test done & compare readings. He puts his "proverbial" on a block that's the problem.
So I'm saving for a new set of rings etc. before winter comes around again as this problem only happens with my Mitsu. when it's really cold.
Good luck !
Re: Cold start issues again
marsharo wrote:... The diesel specialist in JHB who did the work for me explained to me that he believes the problem is a lack of compression when the motor is really cold.
He gave me a lengthy explaination about why it starts but then dies (you'll probably find it coughs & dies as soon the glow plugs switch off completely - Yes / No ? ).
His recommendation is to have a cold & hot compression test done & compare readings. He puts his "proverbial" on a block that's the problem.
If that mechanic's name is not Eunoch, it should be after this! :D
Gerhard Fourie
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