De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
What a fantastic training session.

Really enjoyed it, and absolutely worth it!! Taught me a lot! Would recommend it to anyone! No touching the moffie knoppies (although not much choice with my TC)! Just driving the right line, speed, etc.

Took off the steps for this one... really glad I did :D

He's also got a bush mechanics course which I'm quite keen to go on. :twisted:

You can have a look at the full post with all the other fotos here https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/sh ... post895400
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Karl

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jotto
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Looks good, maybe we can make it a club day for the guys in the area. Thanks for sharing. :P

Cheers

Johann
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
For the 4x4 driver training or the bush mechanics? :twisted:

I'm happy to organise it with Herman. He's planning an open bush mechanics in November, but I'll chat to him to see if we can organise something.
Karl

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Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
kmroloff wrote:No touching the moffie knoppies
I think this "moffieknoppie" term is an invention of Herman's, the implication being something along the lines of "real men don't use axle diff locks". I know it is said in jest, but I am not sure that I subscribe to that school of thought.

Different vehicles achieve their levels of mobility in different ways using different approaches and different technological solutions. The Pajeros are known to have suspension systems that work very well on tar, but are at a bit of a disadvantage compared to some others when it comes to keeping the wheels planted when the terrain is undulating. For this reason Mitsubishi has offered rear differential locks for a long time (even when many competitors did not) and more recently has fitted traction control or a rear diff lock and traction control in some cases.

Now in my mind it is ridiculous to call someone names because he correctly applies the technology available to him; if a Pajero driver is a "moffie" because he uses his rear diff lock, does that mean that a Defender driver (or indeed Herman in his Safari :lol: ) is also a "moffie" because his supple suspension managed to keep all four wheels planted through an axle twister?

It is of course true that an axle diff lock can often get one through a difficult situation even when using a poor line; after all, adding axle diff locks generally improves the mobility of a vehicle much more than improving suspension suppleness. This means that one can often learn more by trying out different lines without the axle lock engaged. In a similar vein, one probably learns to be a better driver if one uses a vehicle with less supple suspension as a learning tool than when using one with superb flex.

The bottom line is that a training course should ideally focus on learning the basics as well as the correct application of all the technologies available to the driver, taking account of aspects such as environmental damage, vehicle damage and also safety.
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2003 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 VX TD

2003 Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T Gone & missed :-(

1999 Nissan Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T: Gone & missed :-(

1996 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T: SOLD
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Gerrit, agree with you completely.

Dont worry - he didnt hand out abuse when the TC light came on a few times (just the first few times :)). But it was all in good spirit.

The point really is that rather than just relying 100% on the electronics / switches, its about being a better driver. Choosing better lines will probably reduce chances of damage due to scrapes & insufficient clearing. (in my case ;))

I must say, after this I'm confident to take on 95% of obstacles, because the TC helps so well when you get the lines wrong.
Karl

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Theunsb
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Herman and his refernce to the "moffie knoppie" should never be taken serious as an insult rather than an inspiration to do as much as possible if you did not have the gadget available.
I have trained with Herman more than once and have nothing but respect for his ability to install confidence in trainees. He allways try to bait people and takes it well when he is ripped for doing something he has warned against.
Man with no mistakes was crusified if I remember correctly long ago.
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Good to hear confirmation that it is all in a good spirit. I merely wish to point out that the principal behind the concept applies to other vehicle parameters as well, e.g. the suspension type, which can not be altered by hitting a switch, but can still make an obstacle easy in one vehicle compared to another vehicle.I know the difference between the Paj and the Patrol in certain obstacles and the Paj requires more skill to get through...
Gerrit Loubser Image

2003 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 VX TD

2003 Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 DiD LWB A/T Gone & missed :-(

1999 Nissan Patrol 4.5E GRX M/T: Gone & missed :-(

1996 Toyota Land Cruiser 80 VX 4.5 EFI A/T: SOLD
wessels
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
I had a similar, fabulous experience when I attended Mitsubishi’s free off-road driver training course presented by Jannie Rykaart from Protea Eco Adventures at the Krugersdorp Game Reserve. I am not a 4x4 fundi and Jannie was able to get me well acquainted with my GLX, first without, and then with the mofknoppie. Must say, for a non-fundi, the traction control, combined with the rear diff lock worked!
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Pardon my ignorance, but why would you need T/C if you have a rear DL?

For the front 2 wheels?
Karl

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wessels
Re: De Wildt 4x4 Training - with Herman from Angel 4x4
Karl, I understand the logic behind your question. My GLX, however, comes with both T/C and rear diff lock and the training included application of both. Your question about the dynamics of the combination may be better answered by the technical boffins on this forum, but from my experience of that day, the application of the rear diff lock, together with T/C resulted in just about zero spin on a steep uphill with loose gravel and stone. T/C alone did not fully eliminate the spin. Some of the other cars raised a lot of dust and flying stones to get up the same hill.
Best regards,
Wessel
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