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Re: Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:01 pm
by SimonB
Gemaskerde Tuinvurk wrote:I've had some really good feedback PM'd to me....
As a general rule, please do not PM feedback to questions posted on the open forum (unless it is for some reason, personal). There is no benefit for anyone else if this info is "hidden".

Re: Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:14 pm
by Gemaskerde Tuinvurk
No worries, I will detail the entire process as I go along... Hopefully it will provide some nice details for all the Gen4 owners!

So the question remains:
Gemaskerde Tuinvurk wrote:Has anyone had experience with different shock types (the standard types)? Or are you able to order your shocks with customised dampening settings to make them a bit softer? (and I assume more lift + softer shock = less stability)...
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Re: Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:42 am
by Elinas
I sent Karl a PM which contained some personal information, but as SimonB pointed out, no one else can benefit from a "hidden" message so I decided to edit the original PM and post it here. So in the spirit of learning from each others mistakes - here goes :oops: :

Hi Karl

Just to summarize:

2009 DiD LWB (GLS) which I have had since new
BFG A/T - 265/65 17
KONI Heavy Track Shocks
EFS Springs -
* Front = MIT-100HDE - Up to 65 kg load bearing accessories
* Back = MIT-103E - Constant 100 kg to GVM - Progressive rate

EFS make 2 Springs for the front - a 65kg and a 120kg load bearing, and they make three springs for the back - 100, 300 and 500kg.

As you can see I went for the "softest" springs. The EFS springs compared to the original ones are exactly the same length when placed side by side, but what is obvious is that the EFS is made of thicker steel and they also feel heavier. So, even though the springs are of equal length, because EFS is stiffer and can carry a heavier load, when installed in the Pajero it results in the car standing higher because they don't sag as much under the Pajero's weight. How much lift? Between 30 and 40mm front and back. The lift is definitely noticeable and it looks really good.

I drove the Pajero with this setup for around 1500km, including a trip to Waterval Boven with some gravel roads - I was fully loaded (my wife and two kids, 40L Engel in the back with luggage, and about 40kg on top in the Thule roof box). I must say, the Pajero drove beautifully on this trip, and even though I could feel that the ride was harder, because of the load, the comfort levels were good, on tar and gravel.

However, most of the driving was around Jhb with just me in the car and I must say, i was not happy with the comfort levels. With the Pajero empty the stiffer springs were much more noticeable and the drive was not as comfortable as it used to be. The ride quality was certainly not worse than your average double-cab or Fortuner, but I no longer had that comfort that I have enjoyed in the past two years. It was a difficult choice, but I eventually decided to go back to the originals. So yesterday the EFS springs came out and the original ones went back in. I'm still using the Koni's though. The ride quality is great again!

Having said all of that, at the end of the day, YOU have to decide what's best for your requirements. No one can make that decision for you. Please remember that an "upgrade" might improve your off-road and load carrying ability, but to gain that you have to unfortunately sacrifice something - in this case it will be comfort. I contacted Christo (CATS) and Gerrit Loubser on this forum, and they both had the same reply for me which I gave you; you are going to loose out on comfort.

If you will be doing a lot of off-road stuff and you don't really mind the bumpy ride then the upgrade might be worth it. OME and TJM are your more expensive kits, with EFS and Ironman cheaper. I paid around R4000,00 for the EFS springs. Which ones are the best? Difficult one, and I can't answer that one for you. In my opinion, I think they are all much the same.

The bottom line: the Pajero is a great car in it's standard form and there's nothing wrong with the suspension as it is - you proved it to yourself when you did the 4x4 training recently. As the old saying goes, "If it's not broken, don't fix it".

Chat to as many people as you can before you make a decision so that you can get a good idea what you are letting yourself into. You are also welcome to try my 'old' new EFS springs if you want to.

Good luck with the research.

Cheers
George

Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:51 pm
by Elinas
Gemaskerde Tuinvurk wrote: From what I've read, its the springs that give the lift, and shocks that give the ride comfort...
The way I understand it, the shocks dampen the springs. In other words the shocks resist spring movement. Without shocks, our springs would just carry on oscillating - up and down... Secondly, of the two components, you can compress and extend shocks by hand but you won't be able to do that to a Pajero spring. So even though springs and shocks both play a role in ride comfort, I would imagine that the springs would have a greater effect.
Gemaskerde Tuinvurk wrote: ...are you able to order your shocks with customised dampening settings to make them a bit softer? (and I assume more lift + softer shock = less stability)...
KONI shocks are adjustable for rebound only. At its softest setting, you can extend the shock easily by hand. Two and a half turns on the shock sets it to its stiffest, resulting in much more effort required to extend the shocks - even Chuck Norris would get a hernia trying to do this!

Re: Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:38 pm
by Gemaskerde Tuinvurk
Thanks George, really useful info.

Is it then right to summarize like this: ride harshness = mostly spring load bearing capacity (with a bit of shock setting)?

Also, is there anyone in jhb/ pta area who has a Gen 4 with OME, and is willing to take me for a spin?

Re: Suspension vs Body Lift

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:44 pm
by Gemaskerde Tuinvurk
Also, is there anyone in jhb/ pta area who has a Gen 4 with OME, and is willing to take me for a spin?

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