Pajero Owners Club of South Africa

NO, please. Let sleeping dogs lie

Hi Guys,
I recently hadmy autobox and transfer had a look at ,as well as the torque converter.
I got this guy's details from MTech in JHB and Imust say so far it feels great ,Smooth .
So if any of you wouldlike to have this guy quote you .
He has done quite a lot of work of which includes a kick down cable,switches,seals,new transfer box gear lever (redone) and complete refurbish of torque converter,strip and clean transfer box .
Internal damage to transferbox was not much but it was stripped cleaned resealed etc.
My Cost was R13315 ,00 ,
Here is his details
Delport Motors
22 Ophir Street
Ophirton
011-493 8472
Ask for Wynand

CATS wrote: Gearbox guys said that he can only quote once opened but if it is what he thinks it is that the cost will be around R3500(Which to me sound reasonable). Hopefully we caught it in time to prevent damage to the gears as well, otherwise cost will be substatially more. He reckons the Pajero box is one of the most expensive to repair gears on in South Africa.

CATS

Any news on the repairs?
I am also experiencing the same problem with jumping out of first- similarly only with cold, pull-aways.
I have a 2001 DID with about 170 000km.

If you are happy with the work they did for you please would you PM me their name? I am also in the centurion area and want to have it seen to.

Smiddi wrote:

CATS wrote: Gearbox guys said that he can only quote once opened but if it is what he thinks it is that the cost will be around R3500(Which to me sound reasonable). Hopefully we caught it in time to prevent damage to the gears as well, otherwise cost will be substatially more. He reckons the Pajero box is one of the most expensive to repair gears on in South Africa.

CATS

Any news on the repairs?
I am also experiencing the same problem with jumping out of first- similarly only with cold, pull-aways.
I have a 2001 DID with about 170 000km.

If you are happy with the work they did for you please would you PM me their name? I am also in the centurion area and want to have it seen to.

If a mechanic tell you tomorrow, you just know he is lying

Anyway, I am also to blame as I sourced some of the parts myself which led to a delay. Will hopefully be getting it tomorrow and will report back then.

CATS

I have two LWB Gen 3 Pajeros. One diesel one Petrol. Diesel light offroad use, very little 4x4 work. Its gearbox was stripped to look at the 5th gear not engaging - high revving and slipping - when kicked down for overtaking. Rings and filters changed and a few other bits and pieces nothing "serious"... except the repair price of R 14 000 . When the transmission specialist place near Tygerberg Hospital stripped the box the filters were that blocked that oil was getting really hot. Discolouration in places. I had the vehicle from new and looked at the service record when these filters were supposed to be changed... In the 126000kms they were probably only changed once if at all. All work was only ever done by one Mitsu place....

In future I will always get them to confirm filter changes for the box. No use asking for the filters as they can come from another vehicle. It also appears that some dealers have not the expertise to fix these boxes and refer them to approved "outsource" places, because of their complexity. Recommend checking with the dealer but in future I shall probably always go to a specialist gbox centre.

OK - Feedback time.

In the end my vehicle(2001 3.2 Did Manual) was just short of two weeks at Centurion Gearbox and Differentials(www.centuriongearbox.co.za)/012 6538941. Ferdi Victor was my contact person.

It took a little bit longer than initially indicated, but there were some valid reasons for this as I also sourced some of the parts myself. Workmanship so far seems good and they obviously had good experience on the boxes as their prognoses was not far off. In the end I had to replace the retaining ring/plate, two selector forks, remachine the shaft on one gear which was slightly damaged by a failing bearing, a hub and sleeve and the bearings and oil seals that goes with it. I also used the opportunity to replace the clutch disk and pressure plate as the gearbox was out in any event. The Dual mass flywheel was declared good and this was not replaced(luckily as this is a very expensive part). Without the clutch work the bill was in the region of R6800 and with the clutch it came in at just under R11 000.

I got the vehicle back on Friday and so far it has not slipped out of first gear once. I will keep testing it as it was not prone to do this on a daily basis, but started doing it more frequently when we had our cold spells. It does feel a slight bit stiff though to engage some gears but I will have the oil drained at the next service and refill and see if this makes any difference, if not I will go back for them to investigate. The biggest surprise to me was how light the clutch is to work now! I almost put a dent in my floorboard the first time I used it as I was used to a bit of pedal power in the past. I can't believe how light it is now . Just goes to show how one gets used to things over time as I always accepted it as par for the course on the big Pajero box.

All in all happy with the service but am upset that the mechanics messed up both my front carpets with oily gearbox oil stains from boots!!!!

CATS

Cats,
Before joining this and the 4x4 SA forums, I was blisfully unaware of such a thing as a dual mass flywheel. At least now I know they exist (but still have no idea what or why it is "dual mass"). On the forums I became aware that the clutch lasts very long (k200km or more), but when your clutch goes, you need to replace clutch and flywheel and pay lots of money.

Now you have replaced your clutch, but not the flywheel.

I have an auto box, so this doesn't concern me directely, but now I learn that the flywheel doesn't HAVE to be replaced with the clutch.

How does one tell if you can keep your old flywheel, because nine out of ten shops will tell you to replace it

Roelf

RoelfleRoux wrote:Cats,
Before joining this and the 4x4 SA forums, I was blisfully unaware of such a thing as a dual mass flywheel. At least now I know they exist (but still have no idea what or why it is "dual mass"). On the forums I became aware that the clutch lasts very long (k200km or more), but when your clutch goes, you need to replace clutch and flywheel and pay lots of money.

Now you have replaced your clutch, but not the flywheel.

I have an auto box, so this doesn't concern me directely, but now I learn that the flywheel doesn't HAVE to be replaced with the clutch.

How does one tell if you can keep your old flywheel, because nine out of ten shops will tell you to replace it

Roelf

Roelf

I was also always under the impression that they need to be replaced together, but Ferdi at Centurion gearbox said that this is not true. If it is badly scoured or if the movable part of the dual mass(usually viscous type setup) are not functioning as they should then it needs to be replaced. If the face is still good the new clutch will seat sufficiently with it. He even went so far to tell me that he will take the box out for free if the dual mass does give me hassles in the next 6 months or so. I was prepared to buy and replace,even at the horrific cost, but he was adament that mine still looks good and did not warrant additional cost. Time will tell, but I am taking the specialists advice so far.

CATS

Cats,
Thanks.
So logic suggests that one should not "hammer" the old clutch to death and damage the flywheel in the process, but maybe change it as soon as it feels less than 100% and then hopefully still have a pristeen flywheel.

a dual mass flywheel does the same job as those springs on the clutch plate. It softens the catch actuation and in addition to that a dual mass flywheel dampens some of the vibration.

I have driven a dual mass flywheel in a gen3 DiD and a solid mass flywheel in my dad's gen1 DiD. The difference to me is negligible.

The 4m40 2.8's flywheel is a direct bolt on replacement to the 4m41 3.2 dual mass flywheel. I'm not sure when it comes to the petrol models.