Pajero Owners Club of South Africa

I agree that Mitsu should be a supportive leg but should have less rights than the members.

If I can no longer shout bad things about their dumb techies who want to recon every other pump then there's no point.

I love this forum above all others due to the lack of nonsense posted. All facts and debates. Finish and klaar! I for one don't want political boundaries and be scared about what I post because I might **** off Mitsu.

Don't get me wrong I love Mitsubishi but the having them control what happens here is not good.

- you can't use delo, it's not approved
- don't use 2SO it's not approved
- don't service your own vehicle, we know better.....yeah right!

etc. etc.

4ePajero wrote:We must decide how we want to play this.

If Mitsu is under the impression that we 'need' them and they can start pushing us around (by ignoring communications, eg), we must set that right.

Even though it might be advantageous to have them aboard, we have survived very well without them.

I would suggest we write them a friendly letter stating that since they did not respond to our letter, we consider the matter closed, and will post a statement to that effect on the forum.

agreed, but maybe the guys is sick / been retrenched / having a family crises or some other legitimate reason. Maybe just check first before burning the bridge

No need to rush or over react. We are sitting on a good opportunity to setup some usefull communication links, lets not burn the bridge before it is even built.

I am not suggesting that we burn (un-built) bridges, but if we are not deemed important enough to show good etiquette towards (in these early stage of negotiations), how will we be treated at a later stage?

It all boils down to mutual respect.
I will never forget the impact it made on me when the senior partner of the (very large) practice I started with as a young engineer, treated me with the utmost respect, as if I was his pier.
On that day I understood what the meaning of respect was. It is how you treat "juniors" as much as how you treat "equals" and "seniors".

Marius,

That is why I advocate the concept of NO SPONSORSHIP from them. The moderators must have the freedom of movement to blast a Big Brother attitude clean off the air.

They are obviously already "monitoring" this and other forums. We may not have direct interference from them, but they are aware of what we do and what we think. I refer in particular to the guys with newer cars that are still under maint. plan. Not many of us are incognito, so it will be easy for Mitsu to know who does what to their Pajeros, whether the Pajero dealers/manufactures are members here or not.

Gerhard,

I do not know enough about the comms between Simon and Braam to have an opinion about lack of respect or not. If we are being treated in a backhand fashion, then I'm with you all the way. I'm just advocating a carefull and considered approach.

I was told by the spares department of the Mitsubishi agents in Empangeni that Mercedes Benz have sold the Mitubishi agency to Isuzu and that the cost of spares have almost doubled overnight. At one time the local Ford agents were also agents for Mitsubishi(I had better service from them)but when Mitubishi Motors came to SA, the local agency was given to the Mercedes agent. Can anyone shed light on the current situation?

There is such a wide range of vehicles available in SA now that it is inevitable with such a relatively small market, that off the shelf spares are going to get more and more difficult to obtain and will also very much more expensive. It is much easier to get spare parts for my 23 year old Gen 1 Pajero than for my son's 2011 Toyota Fortuna.

Marty Russell wrote:It is much easier to get spare parts for my 23 year old Gen 1 Pajero than for my son's 2011 Toyota Fortuna.

A bit off topic, but please tell where you get spares for the Gen1?

Marty Russell wrote:I was told by the spares department of the Mitsubishi agents in Empangeni that Mercedes Benz have sold the Mitubishi agency to Isuzu and that the cost of spares have almost doubled overnight. At one time the local Ford agents were also agents for Mitsubishi(I had better service from them)but when Mitubishi Motors came to SA, the local agency was given to the Mercedes agent. Can anyone shed light on the current situation?

The Mitsubishi brand was taken over by Imperial Motor Holdings from Daimler Chrysler (Mercedes), and has no relationship to Isuzu (General Motors SA). When Mitsubishi was launched in SA it was sold by SAMCOR (South African Motor Corporation) until 1998 when Ford took SAMCOR over. That was when Daimler Chrysler took over the Mitsubishi brand.

Oh and I have not seen a doubling in parts costs - perhaps an increase but not doubling. Indeed I have seen some spares getting cheaper (like timing belt and tensioners)

Simon,
I do not think it is a bad idea at all.
Question ? How independent will they be?
If issues like oils, mods etc. comes up will they try to smother these by negative comments?
I think as it is there might be already a disguised meber of theirs here to see what is said and done here.
After all it is a club for Pajero owners and if agreement can be reached there might be much to learn for both parties here.
I just think that from their point of view what technical advice will they deliver that will will prevent us from taking our vehicles to their workshops After all that is what they want. Your vehicle in their workshop
I agree for adverising and promoting the brand constructively this might be a good platform but with no "IFS" Independancy of this forum is absolute no negotiation.
Just mu 2c's

As a new member I am enjoying ur club
Own a SWB diesel Vehicle has been to Angola and Zambia as a manner of introduction
Yes they had their own club " Xplore " which was neglected, so just b carefull of a hyjacking