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Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:30 pm
by cloyd
GlenJ.

The 50mm lift after fitting a 30mm spacer is a simple case of trigonometry. The strut attachment point on the lower arm is about two-thirds away from the inner fulcrum point. The front spacers goes on top of the struts so no spring compressors and/or special tools are required. The rear spacers go between the suspension carrier and the chassis.

After fitting the spacers full caster, camber and toe-in adjustment must be done

Cloyd

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:10 pm
by Gerrit Loubser
gerbek1 wrote:What was the ride like with the lift? Did it change for the worse?
Most definitely. Apart from the stiffer springs that are used to generate lift contributing to a harsher ride, the fact that the suspension mid-ride point was shifted often lead to topping out over even mild bumps due to the lack of rebound travel.

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:32 pm
by Davidvan
Hi Glen,

Here is my view on the ride height increase you are after.

I was the test and dummy vehicle for Uys's spacers ( Stofpad) and the end product is better than the africa extreme edition spacers by far as fitted by Mitsibushi, (I have a set o these as well). In my opinion the spacers is the excellent middle ground between raising the height without making the ride too hard at the same time, which is a common issue on most new after market coils and does come with common complaints. So paying more does not necessarily mean better in this case. I have new original Mitsubishi shocks on rear and OME on front which I got from another member on this forum. I also have the air bags in the rear for when overlanding, and this makes a massive dierence to clearance, coupled with the same larger tyres as you have already fitted, I am now very happy, wohtout making the ride much worse, as in in my opinion it is maybe 10 percent stiffer now. As to the towbar you mentioned, I had one of those too, commonly referred to as the grader by me on trails, I replaced that with the Frontrunner towbar and scored a massive amount of clearance at the rear.

If I was in your shoes - would keep stock shocks from Mitsu (KYB), and they have enough travel and are very good shocks and not in ANY way a bad standard shock needing any changes, or upgrades. Add the spacers and then review for airbags, a 17 ft boat should not be too heavy on the towbar in my opinion and should not pose an issue nor would s amll trailer, only a heavy offroad trailer or caravan would drive that need.

I hope this helps, and if you need a few pics, just shout.

Cheers

David

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:07 am
by GlenJ
Thanks everyone for the sound advice! And merry Xmas!

Last thing, could anyone explain why the spacers could cause problems with towing and might require airbags at the rear? I don't understand the forces or mechanics invovled.

Davidvan wrote:Hi Glen,

Here is my view on the ride height increase you are after.

I was the test and dummy vehicle for Uys's spacers ( Stofpad) and the end product is better than the africa extreme edition spacers by far as fitted by Mitsibushi, (I have a set o these as well). In my opinion the spacers is the excellent middle ground between raising the height without making the ride too hard at the same time, which is a common issue on most new after market coils and does come with common complaints. So paying more does not necessarily mean better in this case. I have new original Mitsubishi shocks on rear and OME on front which I got from another member on this forum. I also have the air bags in the rear for when overlanding, and this makes a massive dierence to clearance, coupled with the same larger tyres as you have already fitted, I am now very happy, wohtout making the ride much worse, as in in my opinion it is maybe 10 percent stiffer now. As to the towbar you mentioned, I had one of those too, commonly referred to as the grader by me on trails, I replaced that with the Frontrunner towbar and scored a massive amount of clearance at the rear.

If I was in your shoes - would keep stock shocks from Mitsu (KYB), and they have enough travel and are very good shocks and not in ANY way a bad standard shock needing any changes, or upgrades. Add the spacers and then review for airbags, a 17 ft boat should not be too heavy on the towbar in my opinion and should not pose an issue nor would s amll trailer, only a heavy offroad trailer or caravan would drive that need.

I hope this helps, and if you need a few pics, just shout.

Cheers

David
Thanks David could you tell me where one gets the frontrunner? I assume its an aftermarket thing or is it from a different vehicle?

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:09 am
by GlenJ
David, goolge answered my frontrunner question, awesome!

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:57 pm
by Gemaskerde Tuinvurk
Glen, the spacer does not cause any problems with towing.

The suspension suffers the same fate when towing heavily with or without the spacers: it sags (due to the softness of the suspension).

Airbags help by effectively stiffening the coils to harden the suspension, and thus you have less sag when towing heavily.

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Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:44 pm
by farla
Just for interest sake,

Has anyone had experience with Ironman suspension on Gen3 SWB?

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:25 pm
by KurtG
okay, i got my lift installed by Darrell at Mikem this morning. This included a set of his rear coils and Stofpad spacers for the front. They struggled at the front but eventually got everything back together. The rear is 35mm higher and the front is 50mm higher now but it looks like the car is level. I'm happy so far.

Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:23 pm
by Gemaskerde Tuinvurk
Good to see they came around to see that it's not impossible to install those front spacers.

What did the set of rear coils set you back?

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Re: Sensible suspension upgrade and lift

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:10 pm
by KurtG
Rear coils was R1900 for both. But I have noticed now they have settled to only 20mm higher than before so don't do it if you are looking for a lift, I need them for towing so I'm happy for now. Maybe I can add spacers at the back later on ;)