Theunsb
Honingklip Farm recovery that went south
A farm track for the family. My first outing after the driver course 27/11/2010 :mrgreen: A few very experienced guys were there. None said a word. Now I will attend a proper training course myself and not pray that the experienced people will show the way. Hindsight is 20:20 :evil:
There was a "master" of ceremonies. So called overland tour leader. :evil: I think that he scared the experienced guys with his attitude of 30 years in the game stuff the rest.
Took him on and refused to use a towball as a recovery point. A..hole called it a mith but I stood my ground. The rest is history. :cry:
Your answer still not solving my problem or attempting to do it. Should have known that some family member will be the first to blame with hindsight and no help. :lol:
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Theuns

I think your only solution with regards to tail lights is the dealers. When I replaced the one tail light after being run down by a tree it cost R350 ex vat at the dealer. I could not find anything at a scrapyard, and when i did they wanted R300 for it. To me that was extortionate and I would rather pay extra for a new unit.

Regarding the recovery, it is a topic of discussion on it's own so maybe post a proper account of it in the appropriate section so we may also learn what went wrong
Simon Bloomer
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Thank you SimonB did that first thing this morning. :D Hope to have it here at the panelbeaters by tomorrow or Wednesday costing about R1300 incl VAT for only the parts. Dent much more costly. :o My Pajero allready stripped and hope to have it back before Thursday late. :)
The whole story about the recovery (towing out) is on the 4x4 community forum under Honingklip 4x4 trail. No use repeating it.
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ADMIN NOTE: I have split this topic because I feel this discussion is worth continuing...

Ok now having read the thread... and reading some stuff from people whose opinions I respect on that that thread, and some of whom I don't (in the same thread), can I ask you to provide your own account. I assume you were tasked to do the recovery, and "guided" by some bloke who professed to be the expert, despite your protestations about how it should be done. Would I be right in concluding you seemed to be bullied into doing this?

Note, I am trying to elicit some positive lessons here... as they say, a fool is a guy who makes the same mistake twice... and I am prone to mistakes. :lol:
Simon Bloomer
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Re: Honingklip Farm recovery that went south
SimonB your assumption of been basically bullied into this style of "recovery", with hindsight ,as the nearest available vehicle, is correct. :oops:
A Jeep got stuck in front of me in a smallish mud pool by accident. It could not be pulled forward by another Jeep that was in front of him due to a forward steepish incline. I then was behind him and ordered by the self appointed marshall (hereafter SAM) to reverse recover the Jeep.
Here I should have backed out and said no go I am not familiar with recoveries and need guidance by example and not be a part of the main show.
However I did insist on not reverse recovery and turned my vehicle around. Again SAM wanted to use the towball and I refused using it but a much more sturdey part since reading about flying towballs. SAM called it a mith and I refused to listen shouting him down due to certain basic procedures that I have been reading about on the forums about recoveries do and donts. Here again I think that the reputation of 30 years of tour guiding stopped the other gents with experience in recoveries from stopping the proceedings and voted it unsafe to proceed. An appointed recovery marshall would have been the answer IMO. However the parties directly involved should have been meeting with the recovery marshall and discuss the recovery techniques and the safety aspects before proceeding with the recovery.
Lesson here is if there is shouting and army style orders dished out get out because proceedings from hereon will be unsafe. :evil: Even better kick the person with the loudest mouth in the mouth to shut them up so that sanity can take over again. :mrgreen:
The whole "recovery" was done with equipment that I did not inspect personnally for soundness, not any blankets or arresting weights were used to reduce backlash if anything breaks, rope/shackles or whatever goes wrong. Again guys with experience seemed to be bullied into accepting SAM as the man. One experienced gent's arm was missed by inches by the flying snapped rope that damaged my vehicle.
Lesson learned equipment can and will break therefore take preventative measures in case they do.
Lastly drinking of alcoholic beverages by SAM came to my attention later in the day after my mishap as SAM nearly rammed me from behind whilst driving along the route and a few minutes later nearly rammed a Jeep from behind as well.
My own rules made up after this:
1) Need better training for myself regarding recoveries, equipment, etc..
2) No experienced appointed recovery marshall starting a trail no personnal participation
3) Any alcohol during driving I will put the persons name up and if safe to do so leave the group
Facts as I have seen it and surely there can be a lot contributed by the other participants to give a better picture of the event.

Last but not least accidents will happen but experience and procedures minimizes them.
ChrisB
Re: Honingklip Farm recovery that went south
I feel sorry about your vehicle - if it was my POS rope that broke I would have contributed towards your expenses. If it was my decision that contributed to your damage, I would have contributed.
I would also like to point out that while basic safety measures are not negotiable, it's not always possible to get things 100% by the book - but never while the correct equipment are available - that's just silly and thus for cowboys.
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