Hi Guys
I had to buy a new Battery for my Pajero last week. While there I raised the question to the guy regarding the Deep Cycle Batteries in our Trailers and Dual Battery system. I seem to replace them every year, and in all honesty on a 5 week trip exploring I always seems to start running out of power or need to charge more regularly after about three days.
Now this guy said we should not use Deep Cycle Batteries. But should rather use the High Cycle Batteries.
His explanation: Deep Cycle release its power slowly, and you can completely drain the battery without negative effects to the Battery. But it also needs a lot longer Charge to get back to full strength. He also said that a vehicle Alternator will not supply enough power to recharge the battery to its fullest unless it is the only battery it is charging. Interesting!!!
Where the High Cycle also release its power slowly and you can also run it flat. It Charges a lot easier and quicker.
Please send me your opinions regarding
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He is speaking good sense. Deep Cycle batteries require a higher charging voltage and require more time to fully charge, and this seldom happens in a motor vehicle. I will never waste money on a Deep Cycle, stick to a High Cycle battery.
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Hi Guys,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_cycle_battery
Found this on Wiki and there is also a link there to explain the difference between two types.
Hope this helps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_cycle_battery
Found this on Wiki and there is also a link there to explain the difference between two types.
Hope this helps
4x4outthere.
If I may make some comments:
a. For your Pajero (starting & driving) use the normal type battery that is fitted to all normal vehicles. I use a 652 battery - the 659 is simmilar except that the poles are swapped around.
b. If you have a fridge and do camping where you need 12v lights etc, use a deep-cycle for thaose applications. We use a 40 lit Engel for meat and ice for the liquid refreshments My deep-cycle installation is such that no power can flow from the standard battery to the deep-cycle and vice versa.
c. On our tours it often happened that we stand in one camp for two days without any hassle fron the deep-cycle. That included opening the Engel everso often to get more ice or beer!!
d. Do not buy a small deep-cycle battery, buy the biggest that you can fit - normally a 102/105 amp hr will suffice.
Regards, Cloyd.
If I may make some comments:
a. For your Pajero (starting & driving) use the normal type battery that is fitted to all normal vehicles. I use a 652 battery - the 659 is simmilar except that the poles are swapped around.
b. If you have a fridge and do camping where you need 12v lights etc, use a deep-cycle for thaose applications. We use a 40 lit Engel for meat and ice for the liquid refreshments My deep-cycle installation is such that no power can flow from the standard battery to the deep-cycle and vice versa.
c. On our tours it often happened that we stand in one camp for two days without any hassle fron the deep-cycle. That included opening the Engel everso often to get more ice or beer!!
d. Do not buy a small deep-cycle battery, buy the biggest that you can fit - normally a 102/105 amp hr will suffice.
Regards, Cloyd.
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Well that's a rubbish statement if ever there was one..4x4 Outthere wrote: His explanation: Deep Cycle release its power slowly
A battery "releases" its power as fast as the demand that is put on it no matter what battery it is. It's how long it lasts that is the issue.
Yeah so? Once your charging system has charged the cranking battery it can exclusively charge the alternate battery. It all depends on the system one installs.He also said that a vehicle Alternator will not supply enough power to recharge the battery to its fullest unless it is the only battery it is charging. Interesting!!!
I need to find the articles but there are many people who suggest there is ZERO physical difference between a high cycle battery and a deep cycle battery, and as a matter of interest, what you see sold as high cycle is almost always 102 Ah, and DC will be 105Ah.
That being said my Deep Cycle is 5 years old, has lived permanently in my (then) Colt and (Now) pajero, and it's never given me a days trouble, I've never run out of juice (including a 10 day trip to the richtersveld when we were the only ones left enjoying ice in our whisky), and that on the allegedly rubbish NL split charger.
Simon Bloomer
There is a difference in the construction of normal car batteries (as we know them) and deep cycle batteries.
Car batteries should not be discharged more than a maximum of 50% before it is recharged again. Deep cycle batteries (also available in different specs eg. normal, heavey duty etc.) can be discharged to to leave only 20% of its power before it is dicharged.
If a car battery is discharged to much, the plates tend to buckle because of the heat building up with the charge process and the bending cause the plates to short circuit and this means the end of the battery.
Deep cycle batteries have a more robust construction. The most obvious difference is: Heavier (thicker) plates and more electrolyte over the plates (to allow longer periods between services). One of the important differences is the that each plate is in a non conductive bag. This bag will prevent short circuiting if the plates do bend.
Like all products in life, you will find bad ones, good ones and very good ones. You get 4x4's and you get PAJEROS
The bottom two links wiil shead more lite on the object for those who are interested. I would recomend yo read it. It will change the way you think the next time you want to buy a battery.
The good quality will keep the beer colder for longer and the ice not melting that quick.
Waldo Fourie
http://www.crownbattery.com/PDF/Deep%20 ... teries.pdf
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm
PS Can we have a spell chech on the forum please !!!!!!!!!! Forgive me the way a spell.
Car batteries should not be discharged more than a maximum of 50% before it is recharged again. Deep cycle batteries (also available in different specs eg. normal, heavey duty etc.) can be discharged to to leave only 20% of its power before it is dicharged.
If a car battery is discharged to much, the plates tend to buckle because of the heat building up with the charge process and the bending cause the plates to short circuit and this means the end of the battery.
Deep cycle batteries have a more robust construction. The most obvious difference is: Heavier (thicker) plates and more electrolyte over the plates (to allow longer periods between services). One of the important differences is the that each plate is in a non conductive bag. This bag will prevent short circuiting if the plates do bend.
Like all products in life, you will find bad ones, good ones and very good ones. You get 4x4's and you get PAJEROS
The bottom two links wiil shead more lite on the object for those who are interested. I would recomend yo read it. It will change the way you think the next time you want to buy a battery.
The good quality will keep the beer colder for longer and the ice not melting that quick.
Waldo Fourie
http://www.crownbattery.com/PDF/Deep%20 ... teries.pdf
http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm
PS Can we have a spell chech on the forum please !!!!!!!!!! Forgive me the way a spell.
Well I have read all the pro's and cons between the two types or rather three types of batteries. I will only speak from experience here not from a technical view. I have two 102Ah batteries in my caravan. Recently I decided ( just before easter this year) to do a proper battery run down test, So I switched all the lights on (recently installed Lumeno LED'S 2 x 6 led. 1x 9 led,1 x 12 led as well the fridge/ feezer and my outside 12 v energy saver.This was done after charging them fully as per instruction manual.
The freezer and fridge was packed with 2 litre cke bottles full of water to simulate food stuffs and was set at -18 for freezer and 4 degr for fridge.
I every so often went and started the pump to simulate water usage as well.
After 5 days my voltage indicator in the caravan showed batt voltage at 9 Volts.
I have this charging connection from Conqueror to charge batteries whilst driving. So off we went to Nylstroom with batteries at 9 volt and at destination I checked the voltage again and it was fully charged. If I remember correctly it was about 380 - 400 km from my house. I must say I do not have a split charging kit at all . The caravan charger did all charging here as well as the car.
My assumption therefore that deep cycle batteries for my application works just fine.
I will still try the car batt flat as well as caravan batteries flat thing just to check whether an alternator will in fact charge them up and at what distance naturally. I just think that a proper maintained alternator and correct amparage will eventually do the job . My alternator is 90 Amp rated. I do not know the intricate details of exactly how the caravan charger works but I understand it controlls charging voltage and amps as to prevent overcharging and over current.
Just my 2 cents here
The freezer and fridge was packed with 2 litre cke bottles full of water to simulate food stuffs and was set at -18 for freezer and 4 degr for fridge.
I every so often went and started the pump to simulate water usage as well.
After 5 days my voltage indicator in the caravan showed batt voltage at 9 Volts.
I have this charging connection from Conqueror to charge batteries whilst driving. So off we went to Nylstroom with batteries at 9 volt and at destination I checked the voltage again and it was fully charged. If I remember correctly it was about 380 - 400 km from my house. I must say I do not have a split charging kit at all . The caravan charger did all charging here as well as the car.
My assumption therefore that deep cycle batteries for my application works just fine.
I will still try the car batt flat as well as caravan batteries flat thing just to check whether an alternator will in fact charge them up and at what distance naturally. I just think that a proper maintained alternator and correct amparage will eventually do the job . My alternator is 90 Amp rated. I do not know the intricate details of exactly how the caravan charger works but I understand it controlls charging voltage and amps as to prevent overcharging and over current.
Just my 2 cents here
I haven't yet read the attached links, but M2CW is that the demise of any battery is heat. Mostly, we tuck them away under the bonnet out of site and mind.
My deep cycle batteries have lasted about three years and then they are kaput..... The next battery (not sure which one yet) I buy, will be fitted in the back of the car with a cut off switch somewhere in case of an accident.
My deep cycle batteries have lasted about three years and then they are kaput..... The next battery (not sure which one yet) I buy, will be fitted in the back of the car with a cut off switch somewhere in case of an accident.
Simon
Sorry for putting the wording; Release power slowly
Being a Afrikaans guy, that was my way of trying to explain it will last longer than a normal Battery
Sorry for putting the wording; Release power slowly
Being a Afrikaans guy, that was my way of trying to explain it will last longer than a normal Battery
I have three deep cycle batteries which have been in service since June 2008. Two are mounted in my Afrispoor trailer and one in my vehicle. Last year I added a fourth to make it two in my vehicle. When the camping is done the batteries are constantly trickle charge with an intelligent charger ie C-Tec.
The Afripoor trailer batteries operate a 80 liter fridge set at 5 C while the batteries in the car operate 80 Litre deep freeze at minus 14 C.
We do at least two trips a year. One of two weeks and one of three weeks duration.
The batteries have never let me down.
The Deltec which has operated the freezer in the car is finally giving up the ghost and will be replaced before I go to Namibia in August.
The batteries in the trailer operate the fridge up to four nights while base camping without having to be charged.
I am very happy with my experience with deep cycle batteries and the Deltec product.
If you want your batteries to last you have to constantly check on them.
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The Afripoor trailer batteries operate a 80 liter fridge set at 5 C while the batteries in the car operate 80 Litre deep freeze at minus 14 C.
We do at least two trips a year. One of two weeks and one of three weeks duration.
The batteries have never let me down.
The Deltec which has operated the freezer in the car is finally giving up the ghost and will be replaced before I go to Namibia in August.
The batteries in the trailer operate the fridge up to four nights while base camping without having to be charged.
I am very happy with my experience with deep cycle batteries and the Deltec product.
If you want your batteries to last you have to constantly check on them.
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