[4ePajero]

This is going the wrong direction.
Facts:

• Freek has a good reputation, which nobody has doubted.
• Freek has the right to have an opinion.
• So does Marius (4ePikanini).

I don't have an opinion on the DMF vs solid flywheel, but I can offer my experience ("A man with an experience is not subject to the argument").

My Gen1 has a hybrid drive train, made up of standard Mitsubishi components (the beauty of working with a Mitsubishi!):

• 3.2 Di-D engine
• Solid flywheel ex a 2.8 Pajero/Colt
• Clutch assembly ex 2.8 Pajero/Colt
• 5spd manual transmission ex a Gen2 Pajero
• SuperSelect Transfer case ex Gen2 Pajero
• diffs ex the original Gen1 2.5TD

Everything was bolted together, without ANY modification to any part/component.

The solid flywheel has served me well (it's now 5yrs!)
It is smooth and 'soft'.
I have used the Pajero from long trips to tracks and 4x4 trails, and have never had one problem.

I attach photographs of the flywheel etc.
Here I have an opinion: Me finks that flywheel is 'thick' enough!

[4ePikanini]

• Solid flywheel ex a 2.8 Pajero/Colt
• Clutch assembly ex 2.8 Pajero/Colt

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Everything was bolted together, without ANY modification to any part/component.

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I think this is the key. My father and I have experienced Mitsu design where they improve rather than redesign (eg. 4ePajero bolted gen2 pedals and brake calipers to his gen1 without any modification other than a little snip on the dust cover)

If you use the 2.8 flywheel AND clutch that go together as per OEM design you should be good. I think the issue comes in when you try to marry the 2.8 flywheel to the 3.2 clutch.

[tsblack]

Hi Marius

The pics of the flywheel you received aren't displaying - can you check the links, would love to see them.

Thanks

-Thomas

[4ePikanini]

Hi Marius

The pics of the flywheel you received aren't displaying - can you check the links, would love to see them.

Thanks

-Thomas

they are showing on my side - hosted by imageshack - some companies block Imageshack

[4ePajero]

Marius,
Load them directly from your PC.

[tsblack]

Hi Marius

Perhaps they're cached on your machine, or showing because you're logged in to Imageshack?

I copied the URLS from your post and pasted them directly in my browser and I get a "403 - Forbidden" error each time. I'm on my own 4mb ADSL line, nothing is blocked.

-Thomas

[4ePikanini]

all my images i've hosted ever on imageshack is showing as private for some reason.

trying to figure out why....

[harras]

Hi Thomas
Can you remember what clutch and pressureplate were recommended by Freek? As mentioned by Marius, if you wish to use the 3.2 engine, 2.8 Flywheel and then fit a 3.2 clutch you might experience problems. This might be the reason why Mitspro recommended using the manufactured flywheel together with the 3.2 clutch. Because the clutch is bolted to the engine, they possibly wish to keep all these parts 3.2 with only the gearbox then 2.8 (And the rest of the drivetrain)
I know that Mitspro will not comment on any of these issues themselves, so I will visit them and find out which clutch they had in mind. I still think that they recommended the best possible solution to you from their point of view keeping in mind their philosophy of NO MODIFICATIONS

[4ePajero]

.... I still think that they recommended the best possible solution to you from their point of view keeping in mind their philosophy of NO MODIFICATIONS

... but they want to manufacture a flywheel, while there is a solution using only standard Mitsu parts?

[tsblack]

Hi

Just got off the phone with Freek Jr again. In the end I decided to go with them for this. While there's possibly some money to be saved in using a 2.8 flywheel / clutch combination I can't find a workshop that's done this yet and I'd rather pay a bit more for a solution that's been tested and that the workshop will stand behind. None of the generic clutch workshops I phoned had ever done this before and while they were willing to give it a go, the work would not be guaranteed and it would be for my expense if something didn't fit / went wrong.

After a further conversation with Freek he's adamant a 2.8 clutch / flywheel combo into 3.2 won't work, specifically in a gen3. According to Freek there's a difference in the size of the bell housings between a gen2 and a gen3 - the gen3 is longer to accommodation the thicker dual mass flywheel. He says it won't be possible to use a 2.8 combo without some elongation modification to the thrust bearing to account for the size difference. He said he'd show me the difference when I went into the shop. Conversely, when using a gen2 derived gearbox and bell housing, a 2.8 combo will naturally work, even when using a 3.2 (same block). From his comments I'd assume that there may not be enough space to fit a DMF / 3.2 clutch combo with the configuration, not that you'd ever want to.

I'm certainly not a mechanic, but that does make sense to me. Eager to see what he shows me when I go into the shop, will take some pics and post here. Hopefully I can see a 2.8 and 3.2 bell housing side by side.

-Thomas