Cats I am sorry to hear of your woes. Please if you still have any technical questions get hold of Haydn (he is also on 4x4 community, look for give that man a bells) he is very very knowledgeable with mitsu. He can possibly give you some advise not yet mentioned and he also know the work that Allan Black does so can possibly give some ideas on that, even though he does say that AB is best for pump on these motors.
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He is far from you but like I said he knows these mitsu extremely well.
Agree, maybe a trip to Pietermaritzburg is all that Snoopy needsallandell wrote:Cats I am sorry to hear of your woes. Please if you still have any technical questions get hold of Haydn (he is also on 4x4 community, look for give that man a bells) he is very very knowledgeable with mitsu. He can possibly give you some advise not yet mentioned and he also know the work that Allan Black does so can possibly give some ideas on that, even though he does say that AB is best for pump on these motors.
Haydn 0828213040
He is far from you but like I said he knows these mitsu extremely well.
- Kurt
2014 Pajero SWB 3.2 GLS | EFS Suspension | Stofpad Bashplates
2008 Pajero LWB 3.2 GLS (Sold @ 243,000km)
2014 Pajero SWB 3.2 GLS | EFS Suspension | Stofpad Bashplates
2008 Pajero LWB 3.2 GLS (Sold @ 243,000km)
Feedback time. I drove around a fair bit recently with the car solo. Temperature is definately more manegable since I fitted the larger radiator. This weekend will be the big test as I tackle the Drakensberg mountains with the Xplorer hooked up.
Now my second problem that I need to sort out. Alan Black is of the opinion that the oil use is within limits and normal. I have not had it there recently but they said drive and lets see how it goes. I believe it is usong too much oil and specifically blowing too much blue smoke which smell oily to me. If I start it up as in this video it makes a plume of smoke. At idle it almost disappear but if you rev it a bit after some idling it blows a cloud of smoke. It smokes when starting up from cold or hot after standing a while, but strangely enough every now and again starts up with no or very little smoke? Surely this is not acceptable for a newly refurbished engine? Am I being petty? Have a look and tell me what you think.
http://youtu.be/D1UPzriSurA
CATS
Now my second problem that I need to sort out. Alan Black is of the opinion that the oil use is within limits and normal. I have not had it there recently but they said drive and lets see how it goes. I believe it is usong too much oil and specifically blowing too much blue smoke which smell oily to me. If I start it up as in this video it makes a plume of smoke. At idle it almost disappear but if you rev it a bit after some idling it blows a cloud of smoke. It smokes when starting up from cold or hot after standing a while, but strangely enough every now and again starts up with no or very little smoke? Surely this is not acceptable for a newly refurbished engine? Am I being petty? Have a look and tell me what you think.
http://youtu.be/D1UPzriSurA
CATS
2009 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS (Gen4) - Casper (Starting to grow on me)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
Cats,
My next bits: I am sorry. There is no way that a rebuilt engine can cause so much problems. I have rebuilt a few engines and NEVER had any problem with excessive oil consumption or running hot. A rebuilt may use a bit of oil and maybe run slightly warmer (not hotter) than normal. This should settle down back to normal within a few (±500km) kilometres. The standard radiator kept it "cool" for many km and years so why cant it not do so anymore?? It is the standard trade story: "Run it and let us see what happens. Maybe it will settle down"!! Bulls.it - if it has not done so, it will not do so in future!! The trade people hope that you will become "g.tvol" and that you will accept their problem.
Iets is verkeerd - miskien gebreekte ringe, verkerde suiers, swak vakmanskap, ens!!
A bigger rad will only hide a potential problem for so long and then it will reappear with devastating result.
Cloyd
My next bits: I am sorry. There is no way that a rebuilt engine can cause so much problems. I have rebuilt a few engines and NEVER had any problem with excessive oil consumption or running hot. A rebuilt may use a bit of oil and maybe run slightly warmer (not hotter) than normal. This should settle down back to normal within a few (±500km) kilometres. The standard radiator kept it "cool" for many km and years so why cant it not do so anymore?? It is the standard trade story: "Run it and let us see what happens. Maybe it will settle down"!! Bulls.it - if it has not done so, it will not do so in future!! The trade people hope that you will become "g.tvol" and that you will accept their problem.
Iets is verkeerd - miskien gebreekte ringe, verkerde suiers, swak vakmanskap, ens!!
A bigger rad will only hide a potential problem for so long and then it will reappear with devastating result.
Cloyd
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does it smoke at idle when hot?
That could be turbo seals and the cause of the oil usage.
That could be turbo seals and the cause of the oil usage.
It does not smoke noticeably at idle when hot. But if you let it idle for a while and then give it a rev it blows a plume of smoke. Then again this morning I start it from cold and it starts totally smoke free?4ePikanini wrote:does it smoke at idle when hot?
That could be turbo seals and the cause of the oil usage.
I had the turbo checked out a while ago and as part of the rebuild I also had turbo service kit done, which I assume means seals as well.
I assume it needs to be opened up again to see what is wrong but I am trying to avoid that if possible. The fact that it is not smoking every time, but probably about 85% of the times, is puzzling me? Is it due to a specific cylinder stopping with compression in it?
CATS
2009 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS (Gen4) - Casper (Starting to grow on me)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
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when cold manually manipulate the idle diaphragm to close the throttle body to nearly closed so the intake manifold can pull a vacuum. Car must be idling)
If the car then starts smoking at idle it is valve stem seals. Make sure it is oil smoke and not diesel smoke from closing the throttle body too much (lack of air = unburnt diesel)
If the car then starts smoking at idle it is valve stem seals. Make sure it is oil smoke and not diesel smoke from closing the throttle body too much (lack of air = unburnt diesel)
Havent tried Marius' test yet but some feedback from my trip over the mountains this last weekend.
Good news is that I made it back without the help of a flat bed loader.
Bad news. I had to crawl up Van Reenens pass between the trucks at 10 to 20km/h to try and keep the temp at bay. It was peaking at around 108deg C with needle just under red. Temp was up and down the whole trip and it was really not enjoyable.
What is even more worrying is the oil temp and pressure. The pressure seem low and if it ran hot for a while and I idle to a stop at the toll gates it drops to 0.2 at times! It also registered very High readings once when I drove down a long downhill on compression. Reading went off the chart with highest I saw at 9.0 bar? Why would this be? Idiot light on engine never came on.
Oil temp is also high to me as it runs about 20degC warmer than water temp and also went off the chart at one stage on 130deg C! It often runs at 110deg and higher with pressure averaging around 1.8bar to 2bar while on the move. Is this normal? Can the oil pump maybe be the cause of my overheating problems.
By the way it now smokes consistently on startup and idle and if revved a bit it makes nice smoke screen. Oil use was not as much as I expected. Around a pint for every 500km traveled.
Need to make apointment with Alan Black aka Go Power as this engine rebuild sucks big time! Is it time to get the Ombudsman or Retail Motor Industry involved? I either want my money back in full or a fixed/new engine within a reasonable time, I would say 2 weeks should be enough after all that I have been through. Is this a fair request?
CATS
PS - oil pump was also replaced at rebuild on recomendation from Bradley at Alan Black.
Good news is that I made it back without the help of a flat bed loader.
Bad news. I had to crawl up Van Reenens pass between the trucks at 10 to 20km/h to try and keep the temp at bay. It was peaking at around 108deg C with needle just under red. Temp was up and down the whole trip and it was really not enjoyable.
What is even more worrying is the oil temp and pressure. The pressure seem low and if it ran hot for a while and I idle to a stop at the toll gates it drops to 0.2 at times! It also registered very High readings once when I drove down a long downhill on compression. Reading went off the chart with highest I saw at 9.0 bar? Why would this be? Idiot light on engine never came on.
Oil temp is also high to me as it runs about 20degC warmer than water temp and also went off the chart at one stage on 130deg C! It often runs at 110deg and higher with pressure averaging around 1.8bar to 2bar while on the move. Is this normal? Can the oil pump maybe be the cause of my overheating problems.
By the way it now smokes consistently on startup and idle and if revved a bit it makes nice smoke screen. Oil use was not as much as I expected. Around a pint for every 500km traveled.
Need to make apointment with Alan Black aka Go Power as this engine rebuild sucks big time! Is it time to get the Ombudsman or Retail Motor Industry involved? I either want my money back in full or a fixed/new engine within a reasonable time, I would say 2 weeks should be enough after all that I have been through. Is this a fair request?
CATS
PS - oil pump was also replaced at rebuild on recomendation from Bradley at Alan Black.
2009 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS (Gen4) - Casper (Starting to grow on me)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
2001 Pajero 3.2 DiD Lwb GLS Manual (Gen3) - Snoopy (SOLD but not forgotten)
2008 Pajero 3.2 DiDc Lwb GLS Auto (Gen4) - Silvester (SOLD)
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oil pressure seems low. The oil temp seems normal. My touareg also reaches those oil temps when towing heavy up a pass.
I think you need to give the car to them. Tell them to fix it properly or you are taking legal action OR they must give your money back plus R50k and keep the car. Use that as deposit on something you will trust.
I think you need to give the car to them. Tell them to fix it properly or you are taking legal action OR they must give your money back plus R50k and keep the car. Use that as deposit on something you will trust.
Cats, this is very disheartening to read. I am with you on this one - what on earth could possibly be expected from a customer to do more? More money? More patience? After all, you spent good money to receive an expected service delivery. Your patience and pockets have surely stretched beyond any reasonable expectation for the job in question. I believe it is time to draw the line and take the necessary steps to get the expected result you paid for. Hard lines to the workshop if this can't be achieved in a friendly manner, the right thing must be done!